J-P and I are ardent supporters of proposition 102 (and prop. 8 in CA). J-P has spent a night in the call center and I will be at an undisclosed polling location tomorrow holding my "Yes on 102" sign.
PLEASE JOIN US IN VOTING YES ON 102.
There are many misconceptions about proposition 102 and 8. For clarification, please visit preservingmarriage.org and watch the videos. I'm serious. Do it. Right now. When you are finished read this article. It's long, but explains exactly how we feel.
p.s. for the Orson Scott Card fans, here is another article...
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The intolerance and ignorance in the videos make me sick to my stomach.
Please indulge me for a moment and pretend that these same arguments were being used against interracial marriage.
Say for example, with this clip:
http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/media/mediaplayer.swf?media=http://broadcast.lds.org/newsroom/video/flv/P8_Seq2_15oct08-FLV_300k_320x180_15fps_96kbps_stereo.flv&type=FLV
I've rewritten the dialogue:
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If Prop 8 passes won’t it take existing rights away from interracial couples?
The answer is no. Proposition 8 is about preserving the legal definition of marriage as between a man and a woman of the same racial lineage. Though some opponents of Proposition 8 would have us believe that it's an intolerant attack on their lifestyle directly, it's not.
All the rights that interracial couples enjoy in civil unions are still in full force.
Under California Law, "domestic partners shall have the same rights, protection, and benefits as married spouses."
There is no exception. No rights will be taken away from interracial partners if Proposition 8 passes.
Join us. Join Us. Join us. Be wise. Be informed. Vote yes on Proposition 8.
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I could only get through 3 of the videos. I realize this is your blog and your platform, and I don't mean to feel like I'm intruding on your space by telling you how I feel, but I just feel like I should let it be known that it repulses me -- the kind of hatred that is spread in the name of religion.
Congrats on 102 passing!!
Congrats on 102 passing!!
Cousin Jeff,
This isn't about hate or intolerance, quite the contrary. As we've expressed our opinion about marriage we've been egged, vandalized, cars have been shot up and a wide variety of other reactions from the opposition's activists. Have you heard of any "Yes on 8" vandals? No, we're peacefully protesting a situation that we don't agree with. No, it's not about hate, if gay couples would like to be together, they are welcome to it. They have the same rights in CA and AZ as any other couple, we just don't believe that it's a marriage. The word has religious meaning for us and includes God in the relationship.
The representation that this is a Civil Rights issue has had quite the reaction among the civil rights leaders. See Dee Garrett's comments here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsc7fCgE30A This isn't about civil rights. It's about choice - choice for our children's future and their understanding of marriage. It's about a CHOICE that each homosexual makes to pursue the same sex attraction that they feel. There is no compelling evidence to suggest that they are born with more than that. This is one of the fundamental differences between your view and mine and the reason it's not a civil rights issue to me. A black man can't choose his skin color, while a homosexual can choose his preferences.
I've appreciated your comments and thoughts an a large variety of subjects and would love to discuss our thoughts on this topic further but it might be better to "agree to disagree".
Thanks again for your friendship and kindnesses. I hope my comments haven't offended you as that wasn't my intention. Merely to explain the difference in our opinion and ask that you tone down your rhetoric.
Talk to you later.
J-P
Sorry to hear about your car getting egged. It's one thing to disagree about politics, it's another completely to use violence or the threat of violence to force your point of view.
As for the passing of Prop. 8, I have to say, on behalf of those that would and have actually had a same-sex marriage, it doesn't feel right to me.
Now having said that, I didn't actually think it would pass. If the majority of people believe that the rights to same-sex marriage in California should be repealed, then I guess the majority of people are happy now.
I am not convinced that people who feel attraction to their own gender have as much choice in the matter as you contend. I think that if it were merely a matter of choice, I would have a much easier time understanding the yes on proposition 8 point of view.
Any reports I've read on the topic have indicted a strong biological connection to same-sex attraction, including the order of the birth, left-handedness, and other biological factors apparent during gestation.
I also think that in matters of people that feel same-sex attraction, they lose by not being able to find fulfilment and happiness in the stability that marriage brings. I just don't think that's right.
I'm sorry if I've offended you or your family, that was not my intention and I certainly understand that I'm as someone commenting here, I'm a guest on your blog, and I hope I haven't done any permanent damage.
Of course not, Jeff, no permanent damage. Healthy debate is, well, healthy. I just didn't want it to get personal.
Here are a couple of quick search links regarding same sex and to me it appears that it's still quite a debate definitely not as strong a biological connection as left-handedness, etc.
I thought the "free to be me" source more objective, but could be wrong. The other may be a bit outdated, so if you have something tangible to support your argument I'd read it.
http://samesexattraction.org/samesexattraction/biological-causes-homosexuality.htm
http://www.freetobeme.com/content.xjp?id=417
J-P
I haven't read any research about homosexuality, but as a public school teacher that has had many gays students (although no lesbians), I can say that it starts at a young age. The only connection I could see was that most (though not all) had very strong, overbearing mothers and absent fathers. My theory on the rise of homosexuality? Soy products. There is soy in just about all processed food and soy has a chemical that mimics estrogen. I think boys are loading up on female hormones and that is leading to a rise in gender confusion. I believe that for men it can be a biological impulse, but for women it is usually a choice (and could happen if they don't trust men or had horrible fathers like lindsay lohan).
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